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		<title>By: Lives there</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lives there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what these fools don&#039;t get is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with &#039;maturity&#039; or &#039;submissiveness&#039;.  there is a choice involved.  these women, japanese, choose to be that way.  you know why?  none of you get it.  there are NO consequences there.  no fear of anything, they are not going to be beaten, raped, taken, or even talked to in a condescending tone.  that is why they are like that.  that is the culture, and if they choose to play along there are no consequences except that everyone has a good time.  you are all fools, playing academic games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what these fools don&#8217;t get is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with &#8216;maturity&#8217; or &#8217;submissiveness&#8217;.  there is a choice involved.  these women, japanese, choose to be that way.  you know why?  none of you get it.  there are NO consequences there.  no fear of anything, they are not going to be beaten, raped, taken, or even talked to in a condescending tone.  that is why they are like that.  that is the culture, and if they choose to play along there are no consequences except that everyone has a good time.  you are all fools, playing academic games.</p>
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		<title>By: Ducky3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ducky3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was nearly in tears at the end of Duckett&#039;s post. After reading a few comments I was sobbing. I cannot express how relieved I am that there are others who recognized how twisted Duckett&#039;s post was. I was terrified to comment because I felt my opinion would automatically be discarded because I am a woman; that is how hostile the environment felt to me.

I&#039;m now reading that Duckett may not be a native speaker of English. If this is so, I am more sympathetic than I initially was. However, I must firmly advise him: should you tackle another difficult issue that deals with generalizations and blanket statements, have a native English speaker help you work on the tone of your post so you may discuss with proper respect given to your topic of choice (in this case, Japanese women and the idea of amae).

A few phrases like, &quot;in my experience&quot;, &quot;of those I have met&quot;, &quot;if I were to generalize&quot;, &quot;in my opinion&quot;, &quot;one could say&quot;, etc. Phrases like this would surely have softened the jagged, piercing text presented to readers in your post. The elbow-nudging, eyebrow-raising objectification could have be left out entirely.

E.g., &quot;As a foreigner giving mid 30’s a good shove i have no problem whatsoever targetting what’s left on the shelf in the their late 20’s!&quot; What is put on a shelf? Food is put on a shelf. Things you buy in a store are put on a shelf. Guess who isn&#039;t on a shelf? Japanese women.

This is called objectification. Which my mother always told me is a strong indicator of sexism.

Also, what is this &quot;child like run&quot;? To me, this just screams of the old schoolyard bullying: &quot;You run like a girl!&quot; I am a woman and the way I run is not an invitation to stereotype me. Neither is the way I speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was nearly in tears at the end of Duckett&#8217;s post. After reading a few comments I was sobbing. I cannot express how relieved I am that there are others who recognized how twisted Duckett&#8217;s post was. I was terrified to comment because I felt my opinion would automatically be discarded because I am a woman; that is how hostile the environment felt to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m now reading that Duckett may not be a native speaker of English. If this is so, I am more sympathetic than I initially was. However, I must firmly advise him: should you tackle another difficult issue that deals with generalizations and blanket statements, have a native English speaker help you work on the tone of your post so you may discuss with proper respect given to your topic of choice (in this case, Japanese women and the idea of amae).</p>
<p>A few phrases like, &#8220;in my experience&#8221;, &#8220;of those I have met&#8221;, &#8220;if I were to generalize&#8221;, &#8220;in my opinion&#8221;, &#8220;one could say&#8221;, etc. Phrases like this would surely have softened the jagged, piercing text presented to readers in your post. The elbow-nudging, eyebrow-raising objectification could have be left out entirely.</p>
<p>E.g., &#8220;As a foreigner giving mid 30’s a good shove i have no problem whatsoever targetting what’s left on the shelf in the their late 20’s!&#8221; What is put on a shelf? Food is put on a shelf. Things you buy in a store are put on a shelf. Guess who isn&#8217;t on a shelf? Japanese women.</p>
<p>This is called objectification. Which my mother always told me is a strong indicator of sexism.</p>
<p>Also, what is this &#8220;child like run&#8221;? To me, this just screams of the old schoolyard bullying: &#8220;You run like a girl!&#8221; I am a woman and the way I run is not an invitation to stereotype me. Neither is the way I speak.</p>
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		<title>By: tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, when Neil states that Japaneese men like submissive women, it comes from the role women play in their society. If one looks back at Japna&#039;s history one will see that traditionally, women were often protrayed as submissive. They were the ones that took care of everything at the home but when the husband was there, his needs came before hers.

Men tend to look back at what their home life was like when they pick a mate. If their mom was a submissive women, then they would tend to go for that type of women. Also its very natural to want younger women as it is at least for men a trophy or a great prize to have one. Lets be frank here, show me a man who doesn&#039;t like a nice young woman and I&#039;ll likely be seeing a corpse or a half dead man. lol

Shamless plugs to ROK Drop for finding Neil&#039;s blog and to Neil for finding this blog.

Peace</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, when Neil states that Japaneese men like submissive women, it comes from the role women play in their society. If one looks back at Japna&#8217;s history one will see that traditionally, women were often protrayed as submissive. They were the ones that took care of everything at the home but when the husband was there, his needs came before hers.</p>
<p>Men tend to look back at what their home life was like when they pick a mate. If their mom was a submissive women, then they would tend to go for that type of women. Also its very natural to want younger women as it is at least for men a trophy or a great prize to have one. Lets be frank here, show me a man who doesn&#8217;t like a nice young woman and I&#8217;ll likely be seeing a corpse or a half dead man. lol</p>
<p>Shamless plugs to ROK Drop for finding Neil&#8217;s blog and to Neil for finding this blog.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30. Leon: Pick a fight with me and we&#039;ll get hundreds ;)

31 &amp; 32. Neil: Yeah, originally I was worried this post would just cause problems but I think it&#039;s kind of given everyone new perspectives. I think I&#039;m going to try to be more understanding and read between the lines and see what the author is really saying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30. Leon: Pick a fight with me and we&#8217;ll get hundreds ;)</p>
<p>31 &#038; 32. Neil: Yeah, originally I was worried this post would just cause problems but I think it&#8217;s kind of given everyone new perspectives. I think I&#8217;m going to try to be more understanding and read between the lines and see what the author is really saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Duckett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Duckett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Shay - your about page was exactly what i expected &quot;Shay is a journalizm student and editor at a college newspaper&quot; ... less of the study and more living in Japan, not just in one small country community but live across many different facets of Japan life, specifically that of a Salaryman existance and you will see and appreciate more of what i have written.

Oh please, &quot;misogyny/objectification garbage I see&quot; ..... come here and live life for longer than your12 month sojourn and see things are different to what your study group tells you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Shay &#8211; your about page was exactly what i expected &#8220;Shay is a journalizm student and editor at a college newspaper&#8221; &#8230; less of the study and more living in Japan, not just in one small country community but live across many different facets of Japan life, specifically that of a Salaryman existance and you will see and appreciate more of what i have written.</p>
<p>Oh please, &#8220;misogyny/objectification garbage I see&#8221; &#8230;.. come here and live life for longer than your12 month sojourn and see things are different to what your study group tells you.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Duckett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Duckett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 06:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought i&#039;d stop back and see if there were any more comments on this, it seems there are. I&#039;m glad people took my comments as being general observsations from my time in Japan and not as racist and or sexist.

&quot;Amae is an outdated theory from the 70s that has been pretty much proven worthless in modern academia&quot; this sort of statement is ridiculous and just shows you&#039;re looking to the wrong source for &quot;answers&quot; to what are just my observations.

Anyway, keep up the interesting blog Mike, i look forward to reading more in the future and good luck with your trip back here in 80 odd days time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought i&#8217;d stop back and see if there were any more comments on this, it seems there are. I&#8217;m glad people took my comments as being general observsations from my time in Japan and not as racist and or sexist.</p>
<p>&#8220;Amae is an outdated theory from the 70s that has been pretty much proven worthless in modern academia&#8221; this sort of statement is ridiculous and just shows you&#8217;re looking to the wrong source for &#8220;answers&#8221; to what are just my observations.</p>
<p>Anyway, keep up the interesting blog Mike, i look forward to reading more in the future and good luck with your trip back here in 80 odd days time.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah, I never get this many replies! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah, I never get this many replies! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom &amp; Craig: Fair enough. It sounds like I&#039;ve annoyed people by questioning if there should be any sort of limit on blog content which is definitly NOT what I wanted to say - I think the internet is all about free speech.

Firstly, &quot;That “Amae” is a term created by academics has little relevance to this discussion.&quot; is an odd statement considering the article in question contains a full paragraph defining it and making it relevent to the point.

I&#039;m not saying the &quot;Lolita Complex&quot; does not exist, nor am I saying in it&#039;s essence it&#039;s a bad thing. Obviously it has bad connotations but it could be totally innocent and healthy, to a certain extent. What I am saying is Not All Japanese Men Like Younger Women. This makes statements like &quot;Maybe because Japanese men do like younger women.&quot; problematic and, ultimately, wrong. I just wish people would make that distinction. You&#039;d be annoyed if someone said &quot;Well, there&#039;s a lot of interracial marriage in Japan, and statistics show it&#039;s White Caucasian Men and Japanese women, so ALL WHITE MEN LIKE JAPANESE GIRLS&quot;. That doesn&#039;t make sense. I don&#039;t see why this one doesn&#039;t and yet the other one does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#038; Craig: Fair enough. It sounds like I&#8217;ve annoyed people by questioning if there should be any sort of limit on blog content which is definitly NOT what I wanted to say &#8211; I think the internet is all about free speech.</p>
<p>Firstly, &#8220;That “Amae” is a term created by academics has little relevance to this discussion.&#8221; is an odd statement considering the article in question contains a full paragraph defining it and making it relevent to the point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying the &#8220;Lolita Complex&#8221; does not exist, nor am I saying in it&#8217;s essence it&#8217;s a bad thing. Obviously it has bad connotations but it could be totally innocent and healthy, to a certain extent. What I am saying is Not All Japanese Men Like Younger Women. This makes statements like &#8220;Maybe because Japanese men do like younger women.&#8221; problematic and, ultimately, wrong. I just wish people would make that distinction. You&#8217;d be annoyed if someone said &#8220;Well, there&#8217;s a lot of interracial marriage in Japan, and statistics show it&#8217;s White Caucasian Men and Japanese women, so ALL WHITE MEN LIKE JAPANESE GIRLS&#8221;. That doesn&#8217;t make sense. I don&#8217;t see why this one doesn&#8217;t and yet the other one does.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Clayson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Clayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 08:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t help myself but comment on this one. Again as Craig said above, I normally really enjoy your posts, but can&#039;t help but feel you&#039;ve over reacted completely on this one. Neil&#039;s post in no way portrayed to me &quot;Disgusting Attitudes Towards Japanese People&quot; In that it was merely his observations and I sincerely doubt someone who spends so much time around Japanese people, not to mention writes a blog about his experiences would harbour such an attitude. I don&#039;t think anyone who reads that post will take everything within it as a fact. When you read a newspaper do you take the article at face value and believe only what you have read? Or do you do as most people do, take the useful information from it, combine it with your own knowledge and anything else relevant and form you own opinion.

That &quot;Amae&quot; is a term created by academics has little relevance to this discussion. Its just a word used to describe some of the behaviour he has seen. And is perfectly plausable that academics have less knowledge than a normal person of the behaviour Neil was talking about.

I don&#039;t have time to respond to every point but I will for this one. Neil writes &quot;Japanese men like younger women&quot; Which you seem to have taken some great issue with. Despite what you believe this is well recognised in Japanese society and in many cases true. Lolita complex is more pronounced amoung Japanese people than in any other nation. There is a reason so many shops sell lolicon material - because it sells well - and why does it sell well? Maybe because Japanese men do like younger women. Not to mention, is it really such an insult? Most men like beautiful women, younger women tend to more beautiful than older women. Thats not an insult thats biology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t help myself but comment on this one. Again as Craig said above, I normally really enjoy your posts, but can&#8217;t help but feel you&#8217;ve over reacted completely on this one. Neil&#8217;s post in no way portrayed to me &#8220;Disgusting Attitudes Towards Japanese People&#8221; In that it was merely his observations and I sincerely doubt someone who spends so much time around Japanese people, not to mention writes a blog about his experiences would harbour such an attitude. I don&#8217;t think anyone who reads that post will take everything within it as a fact. When you read a newspaper do you take the article at face value and believe only what you have read? Or do you do as most people do, take the useful information from it, combine it with your own knowledge and anything else relevant and form you own opinion.</p>
<p>That &#8220;Amae&#8221; is a term created by academics has little relevance to this discussion. Its just a word used to describe some of the behaviour he has seen. And is perfectly plausable that academics have less knowledge than a normal person of the behaviour Neil was talking about.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have time to respond to every point but I will for this one. Neil writes &#8220;Japanese men like younger women&#8221; Which you seem to have taken some great issue with. Despite what you believe this is well recognised in Japanese society and in many cases true. Lolita complex is more pronounced amoung Japanese people than in any other nation. There is a reason so many shops sell lolicon material &#8211; because it sells well &#8211; and why does it sell well? Maybe because Japanese men do like younger women. Not to mention, is it really such an insult? Most men like beautiful women, younger women tend to more beautiful than older women. Thats not an insult thats biology.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25 &amp; 26: Craig - I&#039;m really sorry, but from your comments it sounds like you&#039;re discrediting what I said by the way I wrote it. I don&#039;t really see how you can agree &quot;light heartedly&quot; that it&#039;s OK to treat women with phrases like &quot;scoop them off the shelf&quot; or whatever it was. To be honest I&#039;m a little disappointed that people are accepting Neil&#039;s writing as fact. Because it isn&#039;t. Amae is an outdated theory from the 70s that has been pretty much proven worthless in modern academia, and spare me the &quot;well, academics have nothing to do with real life&quot; nonsense because Amae itself is an academic term.

I honestly am proud of my writing and it&#039;s rare that I tackle such a subject. But if you honestly believed someone was treating a race inappropriately, are you telling me you&#039;d address the situation in a light hearted manner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25 &#038; 26: Craig &#8211; I&#8217;m really sorry, but from your comments it sounds like you&#8217;re discrediting what I said by the way I wrote it. I don&#8217;t really see how you can agree &#8220;light heartedly&#8221; that it&#8217;s OK to treat women with phrases like &#8220;scoop them off the shelf&#8221; or whatever it was. To be honest I&#8217;m a little disappointed that people are accepting Neil&#8217;s writing as fact. Because it isn&#8217;t. Amae is an outdated theory from the 70s that has been pretty much proven worthless in modern academia, and spare me the &#8220;well, academics have nothing to do with real life&#8221; nonsense because Amae itself is an academic term.</p>
<p>I honestly am proud of my writing and it&#8217;s rare that I tackle such a subject. But if you honestly believed someone was treating a race inappropriately, are you telling me you&#8217;d address the situation in a light hearted manner?</p>
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